Re: [tor-talk] Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK security minister Ben Wallace - Digital IDs should be brought in to end online anoymity that permits "mob rule" and lawlessness online, the securit

[Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 06/10/2018 08:28 PM, Kevin Burress wrote:
> I mean for example historically the people of Canaan worshipped God but
> Canaan was cursed. And it was about the place of the Hittites and
> Canaanites who were slaughtered. But they worshipped the same God.

They worshiped a bunch of gods. Including El and his consort, Asherah.
Although El later became conflated with Yahweh, that was arguably just
Israelite propaganda.

If you're interested in that stuff, I highly recommend Stover's first
two novels, _Iron Dawn_ and _Jericho Moon_. He portrays the early Habiru
as basically demon worshipers. Yahweh has a variety of aspects, which
can be invoked by particular rituals.

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:23 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> In fact I would imagine given the content and staining and such it would
>> make it more sure that He wants to do it.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:21 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well I just want to bring up that should it be the end Yahweh may want to
>>> use anonymity to not reveal Himself to the masses.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:19 AM grarpamp <grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Ben Tasker <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/online-digital-identification-mob-rule-online-security-minister-ben-wallace-a8390841.html
>>>>
>>>>> As I see it, there are two complimentary ways to fight it
>>>> .
>>>>> Firstly, explain (again) why it's a stupid and flawed idea.
>>>>
>>>> History shows that method always loses long term.
>>>>
>>>>> Second, keep building and supporting systems that help protect privacy
>>>> and
>>>>> anonymity online. That means running more tor relays as well as
>>>> developing
>>>>> new privacy friendly services etc. Essentially, make sure there are
>>>>> alternatives that cannot be affected by whatever half-baked
>>>> implementation
>>>>> they try to foist on us.
>>>>
>>>> Tools themselves will not stop the continual foisting that always wins
>>>> long term.
>>>>
>>>> Note this UK US scam has been spooling up for a wider G7 drop for a
>>>> while now...
>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037851.html
>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-March/036940.html
>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037948.html
>>>>
>>>> The subject problem is that government is now redundant to your own
>>>> better
>>>> capabilities as human beings, now evolved and connected to the wealth of
>>>> instant global knowledge and comms. There's no longer a need for such a
>>>> central store of knowledge, action, and programming that, among other
>>>> things,
>>>> says that murder and theft are good, since now you can go online and see
>>>> that it is plainly bad, and contribute to better together, directly.
>>>> The solution is thus to go further this time and finally discontinue
>>>> that old redundant system.
>>>>
>>>> That connectedness is a "mob rule" they speak of... more properly a
>>>> "decentralized" mode, with voluntarist, anarchist, libertarian
>>>> flavors, coordinated
>>>> under realtime feedback for good... an unexpected result (to their
>>>> geriatric
>>>> selves and their decades expired models and thinking) of the true power
>>>> of the Internet now arrived... a curiously interesting process taking
>>>> shape
>>>> globally... a discussion.. an exploration of alternative models, of local
>>>> and self governance, an elimination of redundancy and inefficiency,
>>>> reclamation and redeployment of all things ceded.
>>>>
>>>> So of course they want to "Digital ID" that, to censor it, balkanize,
>>>> shape,
>>>> track, control, criminalize, and shut it down.... before they themselves
>>>> are.
>>>>
>>>> The fact that they've resorted to deploying worldwide surveillance,
>>>> the Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse FUD and more, spinning
>>>> it out 24x365 nonstop now in survival mode, shows they know their
>>>> own end is coming.
>>>>
>>>> Make, keep and use tools... "systems that help protect privacy and
>>>> anonymity online... develop new privacy friendly services etc"...
>>>> not just to hide and shield from the foisting, but to fix and learn
>>>> new thinking, thus ending it for good.
>>>>
>>>> The math is simpler than crypto...
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEzdh4PMDI
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