Re: [tor-talk] Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK security minister Ben Wallace - Digital IDs should be brought in to end online anoymity that permits "mob rule" and lawlessness online, the securit

[Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 06/10/2018 09:13 PM, Kevin Burress wrote:
> It is like they are saying they want the apocalypse without saying it by
> really saying it (anonymous) that's their way of asking, and christians who
> are good christians and israel says "yes come Lord"

But hey, some Islamic fundamentalists also want it. And they think that
God and Christ will be on _their_ side.

> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:28 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> I mean for example historically the people of Canaan worshipped God but
>> Canaan was cursed. And it was about the place of the Hittites and
>> Canaanites who were slaughtered. But they worshipped the same God.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:23 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In fact I would imagine given the content and staining and such it would
>>> make it more sure that He wants to do it.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:21 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well I just want to bring up that should it be the end Yahweh may want
>>>> to use anonymity to not reveal Himself to the masses.
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:19 AM grarpamp <grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Ben Tasker <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/online-digital-identification-mob-rule-online-security-minister-ben-wallace-a8390841.html
>>>>>
>>>>>> As I see it, there are two complimentary ways to fight it
>>>>> .
>>>>>> Firstly, explain (again) why it's a stupid and flawed idea.
>>>>>
>>>>> History shows that method always loses long term.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Second, keep building and supporting systems that help protect
>>>>> privacy and
>>>>>> anonymity online. That means running more tor relays as well as
>>>>> developing
>>>>>> new privacy friendly services etc. Essentially, make sure there are
>>>>>> alternatives that cannot be affected by whatever half-baked
>>>>> implementation
>>>>>> they try to foist on us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tools themselves will not stop the continual foisting that always wins
>>>>> long term.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note this UK US scam has been spooling up for a wider G7 drop for a
>>>>> while now...
>>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037851.html
>>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-March/036940.html
>>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037948.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The subject problem is that government is now redundant to your own
>>>>> better
>>>>> capabilities as human beings, now evolved and connected to the wealth of
>>>>> instant global knowledge and comms. There's no longer a need for such a
>>>>> central store of knowledge, action, and programming that, among other
>>>>> things,
>>>>> says that murder and theft are good, since now you can go online and see
>>>>> that it is plainly bad, and contribute to better together, directly.
>>>>> The solution is thus to go further this time and finally discontinue
>>>>> that old redundant system.
>>>>>
>>>>> That connectedness is a "mob rule" they speak of... more properly a
>>>>> "decentralized" mode, with voluntarist, anarchist, libertarian
>>>>> flavors, coordinated
>>>>> under realtime feedback for good... an unexpected result (to their
>>>>> geriatric
>>>>> selves and their decades expired models and thinking) of the true power
>>>>> of the Internet now arrived... a curiously interesting process taking
>>>>> shape
>>>>> globally... a discussion.. an exploration of alternative models, of
>>>>> local
>>>>> and self governance, an elimination of redundancy and inefficiency,
>>>>> reclamation and redeployment of all things ceded.
>>>>>
>>>>> So of course they want to "Digital ID" that, to censor it, balkanize,
>>>>> shape,
>>>>> track, control, criminalize, and shut it down.... before they
>>>>> themselves are.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact that they've resorted to deploying worldwide surveillance,
>>>>> the Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse FUD and more, spinning
>>>>> it out 24x365 nonstop now in survival mode, shows they know their
>>>>> own end is coming.
>>>>>
>>>>> Make, keep and use tools... "systems that help protect privacy and
>>>>> anonymity online... develop new privacy friendly services etc"...
>>>>> not just to hide and shield from the foisting, but to fix and learn
>>>>> new thinking, thus ending it for good.
>>>>>
>>>>> The math is simpler than crypto...
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEzdh4PMDI
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