Re: [tor-talk] Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK security minister Ben Wallace - Digital IDs should be brought in to end online anoymity that permits "mob rule" and lawlessness online, the securit

[Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well I'm not willing to say that He is not. "It's a side thing." Understand.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 3:25 AM Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 06/10/2018 09:13 PM, Kevin Burress wrote:
> > It is like they are saying they want the apocalypse without saying it by
> > really saying it (anonymous) that's their way of asking, and christians
> who
> > are good christians and israel says "yes come Lord"
>
> But hey, some Islamic fundamentalists also want it. And they think that
> God and Christ will be on _their_ side.
>
> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:28 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I mean for example historically the people of Canaan worshipped God but
> >> Canaan was cursed. And it was about the place of the Hittites and
> >> Canaanites who were slaughtered. But they worshipped the same God.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:23 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In fact I would imagine given the content and staining and such it
> would
> >>> make it more sure that He wants to do it.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:21 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well I just want to bring up that should it be the end Yahweh may want
> >>>> to use anonymity to not reveal Himself to the masses.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:19 AM grarpamp <grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Ben Tasker <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/online-digital-identification-mob-rule-online-security-minister-ben-wallace-a8390841.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> As I see it, there are two complimentary ways to fight it
> >>>>> .
> >>>>>> Firstly, explain (again) why it's a stupid and flawed idea.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> History shows that method always loses long term.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Second, keep building and supporting systems that help protect
> >>>>> privacy and
> >>>>>> anonymity online. That means running more tor relays as well as
> >>>>> developing
> >>>>>> new privacy friendly services etc. Essentially, make sure there are
> >>>>>> alternatives that cannot be affected by whatever half-baked
> >>>>> implementation
> >>>>>> they try to foist on us.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tools themselves will not stop the continual foisting that always
> wins
> >>>>> long term.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note this UK US scam has been spooling up for a wider G7 drop for a
> >>>>> while now...
> >>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037851.html
> >>>>>
> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-March/036940.html
> >>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037948.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The subject problem is that government is now redundant to your own
> >>>>> better
> >>>>> capabilities as human beings, now evolved and connected to the
> wealth of
> >>>>> instant global knowledge and comms. There's no longer a need for
> such a
> >>>>> central store of knowledge, action, and programming that, among other
> >>>>> things,
> >>>>> says that murder and theft are good, since now you can go online and
> see
> >>>>> that it is plainly bad, and contribute to better together, directly.
> >>>>> The solution is thus to go further this time and finally discontinue
> >>>>> that old redundant system.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That connectedness is a "mob rule" they speak of... more properly a
> >>>>> "decentralized" mode, with voluntarist, anarchist, libertarian
> >>>>> flavors, coordinated
> >>>>> under realtime feedback for good... an unexpected result (to their
> >>>>> geriatric
> >>>>> selves and their decades expired models and thinking) of the true
> power
> >>>>> of the Internet now arrived... a curiously interesting process taking
> >>>>> shape
> >>>>> globally... a discussion.. an exploration of alternative models, of
> >>>>> local
> >>>>> and self governance, an elimination of redundancy and inefficiency,
> >>>>> reclamation and redeployment of all things ceded.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So of course they want to "Digital ID" that, to censor it, balkanize,
> >>>>> shape,
> >>>>> track, control, criminalize, and shut it down.... before they
> >>>>> themselves are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The fact that they've resorted to deploying worldwide surveillance,
> >>>>> the Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse FUD and more, spinning
> >>>>> it out 24x365 nonstop now in survival mode, shows they know their
> >>>>> own end is coming.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Make, keep and use tools... "systems that help protect privacy and
> >>>>> anonymity online... develop new privacy friendly services etc"...
> >>>>> not just to hide and shield from the foisting, but to fix and learn
> >>>>> new thinking, thus ending it for good.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The math is simpler than crypto...
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs
> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEzdh4PMDI
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