Re: [tor-talk] Digital IDs needed to end 'mob rule' online, says UK security minister Ben Wallace - Digital IDs should be brought in to end online anoymity that permits "mob rule" and lawlessness online, the securit

[Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>]

I mean unless you love to lie and you're not a christian..

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 3:31 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Well I'm not willing to say that He is not. "It's a side thing."
> Understand.
>
> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 3:25 AM Mirimir <mirimir@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 06/10/2018 09:13 PM, Kevin Burress wrote:
>> > It is like they are saying they want the apocalypse without saying it by
>> > really saying it (anonymous) that's their way of asking, and christians
>> who
>> > are good christians and israel says "yes come Lord"
>>
>> But hey, some Islamic fundamentalists also want it. And they think that
>> God and Christ will be on _their_ side.
>>
>> > On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:28 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I mean for example historically the people of Canaan worshipped God but
>> >> Canaan was cursed. And it was about the place of the Hittites and
>> >> Canaanites who were slaughtered. But they worshipped the same God.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:23 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> In fact I would imagine given the content and staining and such it
>> would
>> >>> make it more sure that He wants to do it.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:21 AM Kevin Burress <speakeasysky@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Well I just want to bring up that should it be the end Yahweh may
>> want
>> >>>> to use anonymity to not reveal Himself to the masses.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 11, 2018, 2:19 AM grarpamp <grarpamp@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 10, 2018 at 12:08 PM, Ben Tasker <ben@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/online-digital-identification-mob-rule-online-security-minister-ben-wallace-a8390841.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> As I see it, there are two complimentary ways to fight it
>> >>>>> .
>> >>>>>> Firstly, explain (again) why it's a stupid and flawed idea.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> History shows that method always loses long term.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Second, keep building and supporting systems that help protect
>> >>>>> privacy and
>> >>>>>> anonymity online. That means running more tor relays as well as
>> >>>>> developing
>> >>>>>> new privacy friendly services etc. Essentially, make sure there are
>> >>>>>> alternatives that cannot be affected by whatever half-baked
>> >>>>> implementation
>> >>>>>> they try to foist on us.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Tools themselves will not stop the continual foisting that always
>> wins
>> >>>>> long term.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Note this UK US scam has been spooling up for a wider G7 drop for a
>> >>>>> while now...
>> >>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037851.html
>> >>>>>
>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-March/036940.html
>> >>>>> https://lists.cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2017-May/037948.html
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The subject problem is that government is now redundant to your own
>> >>>>> better
>> >>>>> capabilities as human beings, now evolved and connected to the
>> wealth of
>> >>>>> instant global knowledge and comms. There's no longer a need for
>> such a
>> >>>>> central store of knowledge, action, and programming that, among
>> other
>> >>>>> things,
>> >>>>> says that murder and theft are good, since now you can go online
>> and see
>> >>>>> that it is plainly bad, and contribute to better together, directly.
>> >>>>> The solution is thus to go further this time and finally discontinue
>> >>>>> that old redundant system.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That connectedness is a "mob rule" they speak of... more properly a
>> >>>>> "decentralized" mode, with voluntarist, anarchist, libertarian
>> >>>>> flavors, coordinated
>> >>>>> under realtime feedback for good... an unexpected result (to their
>> >>>>> geriatric
>> >>>>> selves and their decades expired models and thinking) of the true
>> power
>> >>>>> of the Internet now arrived... a curiously interesting process
>> taking
>> >>>>> shape
>> >>>>> globally... a discussion.. an exploration of alternative models, of
>> >>>>> local
>> >>>>> and self governance, an elimination of redundancy and inefficiency,
>> >>>>> reclamation and redeployment of all things ceded.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> So of course they want to "Digital ID" that, to censor it,
>> balkanize,
>> >>>>> shape,
>> >>>>> track, control, criminalize, and shut it down.... before they
>> >>>>> themselves are.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The fact that they've resorted to deploying worldwide surveillance,
>> >>>>> the Four Horsemen of the Infocalypse FUD and more, spinning
>> >>>>> it out 24x365 nonstop now in survival mode, shows they know their
>> >>>>> own end is coming.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Make, keep and use tools... "systems that help protect privacy and
>> >>>>> anonymity online... develop new privacy friendly services etc"...
>> >>>>> not just to hide and shield from the foisting, but to fix and learn
>> >>>>> new thinking, thus ending it for good.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The math is simpler than crypto...
>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6b70TUbdfs
>> >>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVEzdh4PMDI
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