ThomasI think it is, if we accept that it just needs to be 'safe enough'. Automatically adding 'nofollow' on user provided links reduces its value to spammers a lot. I believe Google's recaptcha tool does a reasonable job of stopping bots. And if it's still not enough, we can authenticate users and require an admin to approve a user's first submission.Github pages is a very convenient way to host a website, and to manage multiple people making changes to it. I know a lot of open source projects whose websites are hosted this way. It does require using git to update the site, and I'm sorry if that's difficult for you, but it's a system that works well for a lot of people. None of the arguments I've read so far provide a compelling reason not to host a site on Github, and the only option that I see as a reasonable alternative is Gitlab, which presumably works in a very similar way to Github.Hi Miriam,Looking at ibiblio.org, it's talking about an application process to host a 'collection' there ("A decision will be made and you will be notified."). This sounds rather controlled for a simple static site, and I'm concerned that it won't be as easy as we want to update the site and for multiple people to work on it. Clicking around the distros section, it looks like most distros host downloads there but have a website somewhere else (so far, Fat Dog is the only one I've found with web pages there). This suggests to me that it's not ideal for hosting a website.It's hard to put my finger on what's wrong with it, because clearly you *can* host static web pages there. But looking around the information pages and the Q&A site, I get a very strong feeling that hosting there would involve a lot of time and hassle that I don't want.Similarly for archive.org, I think it's intended as... well, an archive! That's valuable, but it's not the problem we're trying to solve.
> Is it possible to have something that is safe, but easy for newbies to add games to a site?On 23 December 2016 at 01:45, Miriam English <mim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:The two repositories I mentioned, ibiblio.org and archive.org (I'm sure there are more) have, as far as I know, no limits on storage.
Have a look, for instance at the amount stored for Puppy Linux at ibiblio:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/
Each of those subdirectories you see relates to a different kind of Puppy.
The packages directories contain programs specifically tailored for a particular distribution of Puppy. The pet_packages-lucid directory alone contains more than 10 Gigabytes of programs, and there are more than 30 Puppy distros with associated package collections.
The puppy-528 directory contains a couple of ISO CD images for Puppy Lucid 528. It also contains an explanatory webpage:
http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-5.2.8/release-Luc id-528.htm
Most of the main distro directories contain such a page.
There is lots more on ibiblio, as a quick wander around http://distro.ibiblio.org/ will show.
They also have multiple mirrors around the world, so if one set of servers has a problem others are available.
Cheers,
- Miriam
Charles Cossé wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 2:02 PM, Miriam English <mim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote: mentioned 2 earlier: archive.org <http://archive.org> and
I don't see the point of using github for the web pages and
keeping the content elsewhere. I don't have a lot of experience
using github (I find it a pain actually). Github is intended as a
versioning system. That has no utility for a pygame repository, as
far as I can see -- or at least no advantage over an ordinary
repository built purely with that purpose in mind.
Wouldn't it be simpler to keep the whole thing in a repository? I
ibiblio.org <http://ibiblio.org>, both of which are free and very<mailto:mim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
secure.
I can say a little bit that might help until someone with more knowledge has time to reply ... With GitHub pages your website is "just another" repo. That's the main thing I wanted to point out. There are no storage limits, and I'm pretty sure that GitHub would be happy to help pygame accomodation-wise if pygame needed anything special (within reason). I also know that there is a 4 gigabyte file limit on GitHub. (I know this because I once wanted to host an 8G SD card image and had to get it down to 4G in order to be housed on GitHub).
FWIW, I have also managed to run webapps on GitHub via GitHub pages. For example http://asymptopia.github.io/TuxMathScrabble-2015/ .
And, not trying to direct traffic to my site or anything, but here's my own site using GitHub pages: https://asymptopia.github.io/
Best regards,
Charles
Cheers,
- Miriam
Thomas Kluyver wrote:
Thanks everyone for your input. In the interests of making
progress, I'd like to propose:
- The informational site will be hosted on Github pages; I've
used this for a number of websites before, it's reliable, we
can point an external domain to it, and I imagine that most of
the likely contributors have Github accounts already.
- The pages will be generated by a Python static site
generator. There doesn't seem to be a strong feeling between
Sphinx/Nikola/Pelican, so it will likely depend on who is most
excited to start building it.
- The game feed will also be generated from content in Github,
so /at first/ developers will need to submit a PR to add a
game. Once that's working, we can build a simpler submission
interface on Heroku/Appengine/similar which can push content
to Github. Ideally the data will be in a format which would
could move elsewhere later if necessary.
I like the concept of drawing the game feed from an external
source, but I don't think any of the sources proposed match
what we want closely enough.
Does anybody object to any of those proposals?
Thanks,
Thomas
On 18 December 2016 at 20:18, Miriam English
<mim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:mim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:mim@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>> wrote:
http://ibiblio.org is an enormous, free repository that also lets
you have static webpages. Many of the Linux distros are hosted
from there as well as much else too. I don't know how
you'd set up
a comments system there. It may be possible.
http://archive.org is another gigantic free repository. They
already have a comments system built into their pages. I don't
know how it works. It might be worth checking out.
Both these organisations are free and are aimed at helping
make
content available to the community which might otherwise
be lost.
You have complete control over the look of webpages at
ibiblio.org <http://ibiblio.org>
<http://ibiblio.org> because you simply upload static pages.
I don't know how much control over the look archive.org
<http://archive.org>
<http://archive.org> provides because everything is dynamically
served from xml data, I think. It might be possible to add
static
content, I don't know.
But both are free, permanently available, and have
excellent security.
Cheers,
- Miriam
Peter Shinners wrote:
Gitlab also has great static site support for free,
and you
can use custom domains. They also make it easy to run most
static generation tools as a CI job. Although part of me
thinks just pushing the static content is easiest. It
sounds
to me like there's a list of acceptable hosting
choices that
won't cost anything.
Keeping the games list as a feed from other service sounds
like it has the best chance of working.
On 12/17/2016 10:51 PM, Lenard Lindstrom wrote:
Bitbucket also has static web site support. I set
one up
for the Pygame docs awhile ago, but have not
maintained it:
http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/ >
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/
<http://pygame.bitbucket.org/docs/pygame/ >>
The repository is here:
https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org >
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org
<https://bitbucket.org/pygame/pygame.bitbucket.org >>
Lenard Lindstrom
On 16-12-17 09:16 PM, Daniel Foerster wrote:
You know, I suppose we could just use GitHub
pages.
On Dec 17, 2016 17:32, "Charles Cossé"
<ccosse@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx>>>>
wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:12 PM, Daniel
Foerster
<pydsigner@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pydsigner@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:pydsigner@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pydsigner@xxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:pydsigner@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pydsigner@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx><mailto:pydsigner@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:pydsigner@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
Using S3/CloudFront is a lot cheaper
than the
EC2 setup you're
imagining (and which a Django stack would
require).
I never said to use Amazon at all. Just
use the
current server,
whatever it is (unless it's Amazon).
On 12/17/2016 05:11 PM, Charles Cossé
wrote:
Yikes! who's gonna pay the Amazon
bill?
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 4:09 PM, Paul
Vincent Craven
<paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
If most of the site is static,
then I
think Django would
be overkill. The static
portion of the
site can easily be
deployed via Amazon
S3/CloudFront and
then we'd not have
to maintain a server.
Paul Vincent Craven
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 5:00 PM,
Charles Cossé
<ccosse@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:ccosse@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at
3:26 PM,
Thomas Kluyver
<takowl@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:takowl@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:takowl@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:takowl@xxxxxxxxx>>
<mailto:takowl@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:takowl@xxxxxxxxx>
Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/c<mailto:takowl@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:takowl@xxxxxxxxx>>>> wrote:
So far, I think the
proposals
for the static
information part of
the site
are Nikola (a static
site generator
oriented around
blogs) and Sphinx
(oriented around
docs). Both
are written in
Python. Does anyone
want to
make the case for any
other system?
Can Django factor-in there? I
guess it would reside
underneathe the other pkgs
... but
might as well run
Python through-and-through
imho.
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