Re: [pygame] Multimedia: was: Introducing Pygame Launcher alpha

[Bob Ippolito <bob@redivi.com>]

On Oct 25, 2004, at 14:20, thor wrote:

> On 25 Oct 2004, at 17:07, Bob Ippolito wrote:
>
> > On Oct 25, 2004, at 11:36, Jack Nutting wrote:
> >
> > > An idea suddenly popped into my head.  Instead of (or in addition 
> > > to) making the pygame launcher a standalone program, how about 
> > > turning it into a....  (drumroll please)  browser plugin?!
> > >
> > > I searched around a bit, and afaict no one has made and released a 
> > > Python browser plugin yet.  It seems that python+pygame would make a 
> > > really great alternative to flash or java applets for many purposes 
> > > (particularly for people on this list).
> > >
> > > Sound interesting?  Or am I putting the cart before the horse here?
> > This is a massive security hole.  Python can not be sandboxed like 
> > Javascript, Java or Flash.  Not a great idea.
> It would be great to have some way of writing multimedia for browsers 
> in python.
> But Jack, can you not use Jython for browser stuff. (I don't have a 
> clue).
You can, but Jython is Python 2.1 and doesn't have the kind of library 
support that CPython does (i.e. no pygame, for example).

> What would be more interesting to me would be to see some
> effort put into making python more attractive as a platform for 
> multimedia creation
> (not necessarily for browsers but just in general).
>
> For example being able to use GUI elements in pygame or at least
> allow wxPython and pygame to work in the same program.
>
> In pygame the developer cannot allow the user to click on a File,
> Edit, View, etc menues, because it is made for games and
> nothing else.
You can do this on OS X..  pygame is more or less fully interoperable 
with Cocoa via PyObjC.  Having pygame and Cocoa widgets in the same 
window would require a good amount of hacking due to the way that SDL 
works with the Cocoa backend, but should be possible.  Separate 
(Cocoa-based) windows, menus, etc. is most certainly possible because 
I've done it before.

> But hey! There is a world out there which is now being
> occupied with Flash, Director, Java, Processing and could so easily
> be won by the beauty, friendliness and opensourceness of Python.
I don't think that any current Python solution can really come anywhere 
near Flash or Director on any points other than price and development 
language.  A pygame+Numeric equivalent to Processing is certainly 
possible, and wouldn't be a huge effort to develop, but it's certainly 
not there yet out of the box.

-bob