Re: [pygame] Multimedia: was: Introducing Pygame Launcher alpha

[Bob Ippolito <bob@redivi.com>]

On Oct 25, 2004, at 16:56, thor wrote:

> > > Well, the nice thing about Processing is that you can extend your 
> > > Processing code with ALL the ability
> > > of Java itself. Thus it is extremely wide environment if you're 
> > > willing to go out of the Processing world
> > > and enter the world of Java. And then you've got a cross platform 
> > > environment that is quite powerful.
> > I have never seen a real application built with Processing that does 
> > any more than what you'd be able to do with pygame by itself.. though 
> > I haven't really paid any attention to it since its beginnings.
> No, people tend to do sketches with Processing. But you _could_ use 
> Processing's Java classes in a Java
> application which has menues, GUI elements and other things which 
> Pygame doesn't have.
>
> Anyway, I just mentioned Processing as one of the multimedia 
> environments.
I'm just saying I haven't seen it, I'm not saying it's impossible.

> > wxPython is going to work nearly as well as Swing does 
> > cross-platform.. so that puts it more or less on equal ground with 
> > Java in the cross-platform GUI arena.
> Well, as far as I know you can't run wxPython and Pygame in the same 
> application.
> Thus not possible to do what I describe Processing/Java doing above.
>
> > No C knowledge should be necessary to write a framework that provides 
> > you with an equivalent environment to Processing.
> No, but making Pygame work with wxPython does. Or what?
I don't know what the current status of this is, and I'm sure it's not 
portable to OS X, but there's this:
http://wiki.wxpython.org/index.cgi/IntegratingPyGame

> > I don't agree that it would make that much of a dent in Python's 
> > popularity.  The audience of a tool like Processing probably isn't as 
> > big as you think it is :)
> I have no idea, but it seems to me that processing is quite alive 
> compared to pygame:
> http://processing.org/discourse
You said Python, not pygame.  I agree that it could be a big deal for 
pygame's popularity, but it wouldn't really be pygame anymore if you 
made it like Processing.. it would be a layer on top of pygame.

> But note: I am trying to create war here or valuing one over the other.
> I am just trying to point to what I think would be great for python: 
> to be able to do
> multimedia content, CD-Roms, and other stuff.
Traditional multimedia content, as done in Director or Flash, doesn't 
use menus at all and doesn't make any significant use of native GUI 
widgets either.  Most of the time it's fullscreen.  There's nothing 
that stops you from doing any of these things in pygame.  It's 
certainly much more of a chore to do such a project with Python, but 
it's definitely possible.

-bob