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• [school-discuss] teaching animation
  • From: Malc Dow <malcdow@yahoo.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] teaching animation
  • From: Leon Brooks <leon@brooks.fdns.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] teaching animation
  • From: Malc Dow <malcdow@yahoo.com>
• [school-discuss] etc broadcast 02-01-2003 -- Don Quixote, Edgar Rice Burroughs, the Solar System, Berlioz and Messiaen
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Terrible news
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] English textbook
  • From: owner-schoolforge-discuss@schoolforge.net (Nobody)
• [school-discuss] IER Discussions
  • From: Michael Viron <mviron@findaschool.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] English textbook
  • From: "SteelHead" <bill@ries-knight.net>
• [school-discuss] Re: Schoolnet Africa: is this you?
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Welcome three new groups to Schoolforge!
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] correction: Welcome three new groups to Schoolforge!
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Cleaning up membership list and details
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Need URLs of useful Free Software to download
  • From: FN <fred@bytesforall.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Need URLs of useful Free Software to download
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Re: correction: Welcome three new groups to Schoolforge!
  • From: owner-schoolforge-discuss@schoolforge.net (Nobody)
• [school-discuss] evaluation of astronomy applications for grades 7-12
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Re: correction: Welcome three new groups to Schoolforge!From: "pixo" <pixo@pacoimaweb.org>
  • From: owner-schoolforge-discuss@schoolforge.net (Nobody)
• [school-discuss] Changing member parameters
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Changing member parameters
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] Changing member parameters
  • From: "pixonet" <pixonet@pacoimaweb.org>
• [school-discuss] FEATURE: GNU/Linux from Kindergarten to High School
  • From: FN <fred@bytesforall.org>
• [school-discuss] E-mail pen pals
  • From: Y4 <Year4@hippings.lancsngfl.ac.uk>
• [school-discuss] [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Help on sourcing education panelists]]
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] Start your career in A. I.
  • From: "Dr. Rich Wallace" <drwallace@alicebot.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Start your career in A. I. --- what the hell is this?
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Red Hat Linux to certify schoolkids
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] Start your career in A. I. --- what the hell isthis? ---
  • From: ipaterson@shaw.ca
• Re: [school-discuss] Start your career in A. I. --- what the hell is this? ---
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] Decency and respect (was: what the hell is this?)
  • From: ipaterson@shaw.ca
• [school-discuss] Raw investigations of Youth Technology Summits ---> Pointers Welcomed
  • From: "Mark Rauterkus" <Mark@Rauterkus.com>
• [school-discuss] Fwd: I might have put an OOo wedge into this door
  • From: Jim Anderson <netman1@optonline.net>
• [school-discuss] Red Hat to help train teens
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] Fwd: I might have put an OOo wedge into this door
  • From: Leon Brooks <leon@brooks.fdns.net>
• [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom Season
  • From: "Douglas S. Blank" <dblank@cs.brynmawr.edu>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: Kyle Hutson <smyle@rockcreek.k12.ks.us>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: Jim Aird <jimaird@hometech.org>
• [school-discuss] valentine's day audiobook cd
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] the attached .jpg is a "doddle" of a logo for a contest ...
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] another way to look at a contest logo
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] another way to look at a contest logo
  • From: paul <pmelo@sisnet.ssku.k12.ca.us>
• Re: [school-discuss] another way to look at a contest logo
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] the attached .jpg is a "doddle" of a logo for a contest ...
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] the attached .jpg is a "doddle" of a logo for a contest ...
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] the attached .jpg is a "doddle" of a logo for a contest ...
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] the attached .jpg is a "doddle" of a logo for a contest ...
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] would there be any interest in learning gimp software?
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] would there be any interest in learning gimp software?
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: jeremy hunsinger <jhuns@vt.edu>
• [school-discuss] good night
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] valentine's day audiobook cd
  • From: "Dave Prentice" <prentice@instruction.com>
• RE: [school-discuss] would there be any interest in learning gimp software?
  • From: Chris Puttick <chris@centralmanclc.com>
• [school-discuss] More Progress!
  • From: Jim Anderson <netman1@optonline.net>
• [school-discuss] The Register--So why do so few UK schools use Open Source?
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] More Progress 2
  • From: Jim Anderson <netman1@optonline.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] valentine's day audiobook cd
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress!
  • From: minddog@cannibutter.com
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress!
  • From: Leon Brooks <leon@brooks.fdns.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress!
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Fwd: Re: [school-discuss] More Progress!
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: "Douglas S. Blank" <dblank@cs.brynmawr.edu>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress 2
  • From: Leon Brooks <leon@brooks.fdns.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] how to configure a production unit for multi-media using RedHat7.3 : hardware and software configuration.
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] valentine's day audiobook cd
  • From: "Dave Prentice" <dprentice@sstar.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] valentine's day audiobook cd
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] etc ...'s moon write-up is available at http://www.opensourceschools.org/
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] etc ... artwork for schoolforge
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] ISO Award suggestions and Software Freedom
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress!
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress!
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Schoolforge IRC Meeting: Planning
  • From: Chirs Hornbaker <chrishornbaker@earthlink.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress! (infomercial update)
  • From: Charlie Cosse <ccosse@asymptopia.com>
• [school-discuss] schoolforge membership for etc ...
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress! (infomercial update)
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Red Hat to train students in Linux operating system
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress! (infomercial update)
  • From: "Gerard Lam" <gerard_lam10@hotmail.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress! (infomercial update)
  • From: "Gerard Lam" <gerard_lam10@hotmail.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress! (infomercial update)
  • From: Charlie Cosse <ccosse@asymptopia.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] introduction to the solar system - mercury and venus
  • From: jeff covey <jeff.covey@pobox.com>
• [school-discuss] TownPortal - Free Community Portal Application
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] etc ... all new broadcast featuring King Solomon's Mines, Wuthering Heights and The Hunchback of Notre Dame - with j.s. Bach brandenberg concertos and chopin nocturnes
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Fwd: submission of Free Software in Education
  • From: James Michael DuPont <mdupont777@yahoo.com>
• [school-discuss] Linux in education report #89 for February 10
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] [LinuxInAfrica] PUNE-INDIA: Symbiosis plans a GNU/Linux fest
  • From: FN <fred@bytesforall.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] More Progress! (infomercial update)
  • From: "Gerard Lam" <gerard_lam10@hotmail.com>
• [school-discuss] Welcome MLUG to Schoolforge!
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Welcome RMA to Schoolforge
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] English as a second language software
  • From: Richard Wraith <rgw@trinity.unimelb.edu.au>
• Re: [school-discuss] English as a second language software
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason?
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason?
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason? jazz++
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissentor reason?
  • From: "tompoe@renonevada.net" <tompoe@renonevada.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] Linux in education report #89 for February 10
  • From: Malc Dow <malcdow@yahoo.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason? jazz++
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason?
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Re: Membership Entry Notification
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason?
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] 2003 at etc... goals and dreams
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] using eVote in the school setting
  • From: "Mark Rauterkus" <Mark@Rauterkus.com>
• [school-discuss] A. I. English as a second language software
  • From: "Dr. Rich Wallace" <drwallace@alicebot.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason?
  • From: Burkhard Woelfel <versuchsanstalt@gmx.de>
• [school-discuss] i.e. support for slide show with audio script
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Yahoo! News - Opinion: Why Schools Should Shun Microsoft
  • From: Christopher Reed <reed@affero.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] i.e. support for slide show with audio script
  • From: jeff williams <cfiaime@nconnect.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason?
  • From: Leon Brooks <leon@brooks.fdns.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason?
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Schoolforge IRC Meeting: Time
  • From: Chirs Hornbaker <chrishornbaker@earthlink.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissentor reason?
  • From: "tompoe@renonevada.net" <tompoe@renonevada.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] i.e. support for slide show with audio script
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] On music making software: A voice of dissent or reason?
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] NewsForge: RoEduNet Second Conference
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] Schoolforge IRC Meeting: Time
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] Re: [school-core] Announcing: Mailman 2.0.13 gets eVoting
  • From: Ed Wiget <security@rhpstudios.com>
• [school-discuss] how many of you would like an all music program for the entire valentine's day weekend on all three channels
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] how many of you would like an all music program for the entire valentine's day weekend on all three channels
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• RE: [school-discuss] how many of you would like an all music program for the entire valentine's day weekend on all three channels
  • From: "Nichol, Cameron B" <nichol.cameron.b@edumail.vic.gov.au>
• RE: [school-discuss] how many of you would like an all music prog ram for the entire valentine's day weekend on all three channels
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] how many of you would like an all music program for the entire valentine's day weekend on all three channels
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] how many of you would like an all music prog ram for the entire valentine's day weekend on all three channels
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Feedback: Linux In Education Portal.
  • From: Jonathan Hughes <declaretruth@yahoo.com>
• [school-discuss] etc ... all music all weekend : eat, drink, make babies ...
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] Feedback: Linux In Education Portal.
  • From: Jim Anderson <netman1@optonline.net>
• [school-discuss] [Fwd: kalamaris]
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] [Fwd: kalamaris]
  • From: Giovanni Caruso <giovannip.caruso@libero.it>
• [school-discuss] gutenberg multimedia initiatives has a mailing list that is open to all school forge members
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Welcome to Schoolforge
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] [Fwd: kalamaris]
  • From: Leon Brooks <leon@brooks.fdns.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] Schoolforge IRC Meeting: Time
  • From: Ben Armstrong <synrg@sanctuary.nslug.ns.ca>
• [school-discuss] anyone have a chemistry lab manual to share
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Fwd: Michael Hart's Birthday Wish. . . .
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] anyone have a chemistry lab manual to share
  • From: "tompoe@renonevada.net" <tompoe@renonevada.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] Schoolforge IRC Meeting: Time
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] Schoolforge IRC Meeting: Time
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] Fwd: Re: Evaluating Tutor-Web
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] solar system series
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] solar system series
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] solar system series
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] Schoolforge IRC Meeting: Time
  • From: Chris Hornbaker <chrishornbaker@earthlink.net>
• [school-discuss] Creative Commons license
  • From: Robert Hopcroft <hopcroft@attbi.com>
• [school-discuss] Phase I ISO Evals: intranet, courseware and some others
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Phase I ISO Evals: intranet, courseware and some others
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Re: CLEA WWW memo submission RESPONSE
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Welcome OFSET to Schoolforge!
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• [school-discuss] INDIA: GNU/Linux in Schools
  • From: FN <fred@bytesforall.org>
• [school-discuss] Join the A. I. Foundation
  • From: "Dr. Rich Wallace" <drwallace@alicebot.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Phase I ISO Evals: intranet, courseware and some others
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] INDIA: GNU/Linux in Schools
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Join the A. I. Foundation
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] INDIA: GNU/Linux in Schools
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] etc ... cds for the classroom - intro to solar system - inner solar system
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] REVISED : etc ... cds for the classroom - intro to solar system - inner solar system
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] etc ... Introduction to the Solar System : Mars
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] REVISED : etc ... cds for the classroom - intro to solar system - inner solar system
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] hello, new member request
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Euclid's Elements
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] Euclid's Elements
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Fwd: Re: Evaluating Tutor-Web
  • From: Gunnar Stefansson <gunnar@hafro.is>
• Re: [school-discuss] Fwd: Re: Evaluating Tutor-Web
  • From: Stephen Liu <satimis@icare.com.hk>
• Re: [school-discuss] Fwd: Re: Evaluating Tutor-Web
  • From: Gunnar Stefansson <gunnar@hafro.is>
• [school-discuss] LiVES - the Linux Video Editing System
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] Mini-conference in Dallas area - next step
  • From: "Marilyn Hagle" <Marilyn.Hagle@gpisd.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Mini-conference in Dallas area - next step
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] introducing opensource to a large urban school districts
  • From: Stephen Bannasch <stephen@concord.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] introducing opensource to a large urban schooldistricts
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] TCPA / Palladium FAQ
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] introducing opensource to a large urban school districts
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Mini-conference in Dallas area - next step
  • From: David Bucknell <david@members.iteachnet.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] introducing opensource to a large urbanschool districts
  • From: Stephen Bannasch <stephen@concord.org>
• [school-discuss] Open Admin 0.85 release
  • From: Les Richardson <les@richtech.ca>
• [school-discuss] available for download now : volume 001 etc... intro to solar system : terrestrial planets
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] introducing opensource to a large urbanschool districts
  • From: Jonathan Hughes <declaretruth@yahoo.com>
• [school-discuss] needed more mini-conference feedback
  • From: "Marilyn Hagle" <Marilyn.Hagle@gpisd.org>
• [school-discuss] unsubscribe
  • From: Charlie Cosse <ccosse@asymptopia.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] unsubscribe
  • From: Malc Dow <malcdow@yahoo.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] needed more mini-conference feedback
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] available for download now : volume 001 etc... intro to solar system : terrestrial planets
  • From: "Dave Prentice" <prentice@instruction.com>
• Re: [school-discuss] available for download now : volume 001 etc... intro to solar system : terrestrial planets
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] unsubscribing from this (or most other) lists
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] needed more mini-conference feedback
  • From: "Marilyn Hagle" <Marilyn.Hagle@gpisd.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] needed more mini-conference feedback
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Educational function iteration software.
  • From: Stijn Wolters <stijnw@funiter.org>
• [school-discuss] Microsoft Woos Academic World
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] Education Technology Magazines
  • From: Jonathan Hughes <declaretruth@yahoo.com>
• [school-discuss] new broadcast at etc ...
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Linux in education report #90 for February 24
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] LCC Open Source Educational Group
  • From: "chris calise" <chris@oip.net>
• [school-discuss] run microsoft office from a linux server : $4,000 for 100 concurrent user lics.
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] The Salt Lake Tribune -- Linux Could Become Inexpensive Alternative to Proprietary Systems
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• Re: [school-discuss] The Salt Lake Tribune -- Linux Could BecomeInexpensive Alternative to Proprietary Systems
  • From: "tompoe@renonevada.net" <tompoe@renonevada.net>
• [school-discuss] the pioneer 10 spacecraft has died
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] Do we need a text-book for GNU/Linux?
  • From: FN <fred@bytesforall.org>
• Re: [school-discuss] Do we need a text-book for GNU/Linux?
  • From: Knut Yrvin <knuty@skolelinux.no>
• Re: [school-discuss] Do we need a text-book for GNU/Linux?
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] new education news feeds on the internet
  • From: mike eschman <meschman@etc-edu.com>
• [school-discuss] The table of equivalents / replacements / analogs of Windows software in Linux.
  • From: Doug Loss <drloss@suscom.net>
• [school-discuss] Linux World article
  • From: Burkhard Woelfel <versuchsanstalt@gmx.de>